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Red River Shootout may depart Dallas

Looks like the Red River Shootout may not be a permanent fixture in Dallas. School officials at UT and Oklahoma have seen repeated requests to Dallas city officials to fix up the Cotton Bowl rebuffed, and are consequently considering a switch from the neutral site to a home-home format.

Nothing would happen until after 2008 at the earliest, and I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this yet. On the one hand, it's true: the Cotton Bowl is a dump. And, to some extent, I'm sympathetic toward the desire to make as much money as possible (don't kid yourself; that's what this is about). Now, on the other hand, while I'm no hyper-traditionalist, I do think it's nice that the game's played on a neutral site, where both teams' fans get to come in droves to see what is usually their team's biggest game of the year. Furthermore, I think it's especially nice that the Texas players only have to travel to that horrid state of Oklahoma once every two years--to play Oklahoma State. Why place undue burden on these poor young kids?
--PB--

Comments:
I dont think they will move it, they are just trying to play hardball to get some imporvments made to the staduim. But if they do, what about playing where the Cowboys play?
 
I have somewhat of a unique perspective on this since I live in the DFW Metroplex now and I used to live in Austin.

Wells, there's no way this game gets moved to Arlington, where the new Cowboys stadium is being built. No way. Arlington sucks. While it it’s between Dallas and Fort Worth, it's not easy to get to for anyone coming from north or south of the area (so basically, everyone connected with the teams involved).

Plus, as everyone who's ever gone to the game knows, the allure of playing in Dallas is that the game is on the state fairgrounds. There's plenty to do before and after the game (or during the game, like in 2000, 2003 and maybe this year for OU fans).

Peter's right, this is about money. Why give Dallas (or Arlington) that cash? Wouldn't you rather it went to the two campuses and cities involved? As bad as it would be to go to Norman every other year (and as hard as it would be to get tickets), it would be a great atmosphere. The hatred Sooner fans would have for the invading Longhorns, not to mention the return hatred when the game is in Austin, would be off the carts. I know the UT basketball games at the Drum against OU are always the best crowds of the year.

Plus, and this is the elephant in the room, that part of Dallas is BAD. Jerry Jones tried to get the new Cowboys stadium there, but the city didn't want to give any money to the project. A big reason is that part of the city is so run down that I think the idea of revitalizing it is just not feasible. No amount of renovation to the Cotton Bowl will fix that.

Once the new Cowboys stadium opens in Arlington, the Jan. 1 Cotton Bowl will more there, I'm sure, and try to become the 5th BCS bowl. Since they're already doing the Plus-1 system next year, they're going to need another one (not to mention the uncertain future of the Sugar Bowl).

Texas and OU will follow suit and move their game, and within 10 years I predict the stadium will be torn down completely, since no one will be playing there. SMU has an on-campus stadium now, and even the Dallas MLS team has a new stadium in Frisco, a northern suburb.

If you want to see a Texas-OU game in the Cotton Bowl, you better go in the next three years, because in 2008 this tradition will be over.
 
Travis, why didnt Dallas want to build Jerry World at the State Fair? Were the cowboys just asking for the city to pay too much?

Seems like whatever the cost, Dallas couldve recouped the bill pretty easily if they did it right, especially if the Cotton Bowl wanted to become a BCS bowl.
 
I think that the main reason is that voters and there for Politicians don't look at long term benefits. The nationals are in DC, for now, but they are still argueing about who is going to pay for it.
 
Hey Andrew,

The mayor of Dallas didn't want to spend city money on the project. The city just paid for the AAC (where the Mavs and Stars play), and if I remember correctly from all the news coverage, she wasn't mayor yet at the time and she was a big critic of the project. So she couldn’t endorse spending city money for the Boys in Fair Park.

I, for one, think it was great for the city to tell Jerry to pay for it himself. NFL owners can print money they make so much, and the Boys are at the head of the table. But predictably, Arlington bought in and agreed to pay for a lot of the stadium.

If every city would say no, owners would have to pay to build the stadiums themselves. But there's always a city that's willing to pay.

The whole thing stinks, just like tax breaks for the richest, which is basically what subsidizing a stadium is.
 
Travis,
The situation is a little more complex than that. Everyone wants their team to win, but no one wants to spend the money to get the best facilities in a salary-capped market. Most teams lose money for their owners, but help the city makes money due to tourism. If a city does like Denver did and help finance a neighborhood with the stadium it will help revitalize the neighborhood and get revenue back from what they paid for. Dallas had a perfect opportunity to help revitalize a neighborhood that obviously needed help. Jones had a desire to move back to Dallas proper, and they could have negotiated a good deal, possibly gotten a BCS bowl, and turned their city around. Now the state fair will probably leave once UT vs. OU and the Cotton Bowl leave and a blighted area will only get worse. No one wants to give tax breaks to people who don’t need it for no reason, although some people where I live might differ with that statement, but some times it is the best way to help start up a stagnate economy, as long as it is coupled with programs to help the surrounding neighborhoods at the same time.
 
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